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If I Had My Way, Dogmatists Would Be Burned at the Stake

Recently I came dangerously close to making a serious point in this blog about the theory of Intelligent Design(TM). Sometimes, despite my best efforts to deliver unadulterated nonsense, a cogent idea emerges, and for that, I apologize. I try to keep my political and religious biases out of these posts. For example, even though I consider a certain political party to be godless atheists who are destroying America with their gay marriages and efforts to keep me from exercising my God-given right to buy an assault rifle, I would never explicitly identify that party, because I don't want to alienate any of my beloved readers ( even if they are terrorist-coddling dope-smokers). Anyway, having attacked the ignorance of Intelligent Design(TM) proponents, I now feel like I have to balance the scales by attacking the idiots on the other side of this issue.

Did I say "idiots"? I meant to say Fearless Advocates of Science against the Creeping Influence of Supersitious Teachings (FASCISTs). To the question "Which should be taught in our schools, evolution or Intelligent Design(TM)?", these champions of reason unhesitatingly answer, "EVOLUTION!" Because they know that science is all about the teaching of a single idea, rather than confusing people with multiple possible "competing theories."

Now I know that you're probably not a FASCIST, but let's imagine that one is reading this article and is thinking to himself*, "Wait a minute, you can't possibly put evolution and Intelligent Design(TM) on the same footing. Evolution is proven fact." And when you ask them how they know it's a proven fact, they'll tell you about all the really smart people, like Richard Dawkins, Stephen Jay Gould and Aristotle, who have written books about it and stuff. In other words, we know evolution is fact because respected authorities have told us it is, and our authorities are way more reputable than your authorities, because ours gave us penicillin and DVDs and yours gave us the plagues of Egypt and Pat Robertson. In logic circles, this kind of reasoning is called an argumentum ad verecundiam, which is a nice way of saying that it's based on the idea that you should trust people who are smarter than you to make your decisions for you. Hey, it's easier than objectively evaluating empirical evidence, right?

What? Oh. I didn't realize you were a scientist who has spent your entire life in the Galapagos Islands painstakingly documenting the empirical evidence for evolution. My bad. I guess you're the kind of person who doesn't blindly trust authority, and insists on thinking for yourself. Like, for example, if your fifth grade teacher told you that people were descended from apes, you wouldn't just mindlessly memorize that fact and regurgitate it for the test. In fact, you'd probably resent the fact that your teacher was telling you what to think, rather than presenting you with the evidence and allowing you to think for yourself. I imagine you wouldn't mind being taught that most scientists believed, based on the evidence, that humankind was descended from apes, and you probably also wouldn't mind being told that a lot of religious people found that idea offensive. You'd probably appreciate your teacher acknowledging that you have a brain of your own, rather than being treated like some kind of passive recepticle for whatever dogmatic nonsense was being passed off as fact that day.

On the other hand, if you find supersitious dogma to be so threatening that science doesn't stand a chance against it, just plug your ears whenever you hear anything that you don't agree with and yell "SCIENCE! SCIENCE! SCIENCE!" until the threat of dogmatic indoctrination has passed.


*FASCISTs tend to be male, or females who refuse to shave their armpits.


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Anonymous cj said...

For the record... I shave my armpits. :)

8:21 AM  
Anonymous Robin said...

Sigh...I get in so much trouble at work when I refer the the 'theory of evolution'....

10:17 AM  
Blogger Diesel said...

cj - Good to know. Getting that information from you was, after all, the primary motivation behind this post. :)

robin - Because you use the word "theory"? Do they realize that relativity and gravity are also "theories"?

10:32 AM  
Blogger goldennib said...

I prefer not to know anything at all. When any one tries to explain anything to me I plug my ears and sing, "La, la, la,la la."

I even close my eyes rahter than learn something, like I did when I was reading your post.

11:08 AM  
Anonymous cindra said...

There is no reason that science (with evolution and the big bang theory) should be seen as opposing creation theories (of ANY religion). Time is relative, and the gregorian calendar is fairly new. If you look at evolution in a different "time frame" and realize that no one knows what a "day" was in the bible or any other creation theories from so long ago...then the two sides could go hand in hand...just let go of that notion of knowing what time is. No dogmas necessary.

I shave my armpits too.

11:11 AM  
Blogger Diesel said...

Cindra - Especially if you believe, as I do, that the universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure.

11:22 AM  
Anonymous cindra said...

I am detecting some sarcasm. I'm very astute, right?

We do look sorta like boogers.

11:25 AM  
Blogger Diesel said...

goldennib - Allow me to quote the great philosopher David St. Hubbins:

“I believe virtually everything I read, and I think that is what makes me more of a selective human than someone who doesn’t believe anything.”

11:26 AM  
Anonymous cindra said...

Yay, Nessa...spoken like a real United States citizen. I'm gonna cover my eyes now.

11:30 AM  
Anonymous cindra said...

Beware the coming of the Great White Handkerchief.

11:34 AM  
Blogger Diesel said...

Amen to that, sister.

11:47 AM  
Anonymous neva said...

as a "terrorist-coddling FORMER (well, only once or twice) dope-smoker" i'll just say... up your nose with a rubber hose, and leave it at that. (not really...)

what do i believe? it doesn't matter what i believe. am i not merely a figment of your imagination? why yes, in some ways, i am. you can "click" me out of existence with the touch of a mouse. making your finger an extension, i suppose, of the mighty power contained in that space between your very own ears.

we believe what we believe because we need to believe in something (or *anything*, where some folks are concerned). the Big Bang? the Big Sneeze? all part of a freakin' Big picture none of us are capable of understanding. where the various theories are concerned, i agree with you. all part of the same thing, relative in ways we are incapable of comprehending. i'm hoping that by my next "tour of duty" on this planet, i'll be significantly more enlightened. if i am, i'll look you up and tell you what i know. (hey, it might be good for a few laughs, eh?)

by the way, it occurs to me your arguments are on par with the reasoning behind the creation of THIS, which just goes to show, one man's sneeze is another man's spaghetti monster.

11:51 AM  
Anonymous cindra said...

Hear hear, Neva. I sat in a pasta pew over at logos not long ago...that is funny! Bring on the marinara!

12:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Neva . . . Nice!!!

Now THAT'S the church I'm interested in joining. Especially since I won't be renewing my membership at Haggard's New Life Church (or my own, for that matter).

Diesel, I am definitely not educated enough to make any kind of comment on ID, but I will tell you that I met Bill Dembski once (who is big in the ID world, I guess) and he is a big, fat @sshole. Okay, he's not fat. Just rude and arrogant. If that's the kind of guy leading the movement then count me out. Of course, I haven't heard great things about Richard Dawkins, either, but that's all just water-cooler talk from the old days in Boston. I suppose *heavy sigh* that you don't have to be kind to be smart.

I'm not a big fan of the meanies, though, no matter *how* smart they are. Now, smart ass? That's a completely different subject all together!

4:15 PM  
Blogger Wolfe said...

Oh come on people. You're overanalyzing this. The whole debate can be annihilated with the following simple precepts:

1. Hot women go for dumb men. (see professional athletes).
2. Dumb men are wrong.
3. Lalla Ward is/was hot. (Ramona 2? Of Dr. Who? Pfft, why do I waste my time here...)
4. Lalla Ward married Richard Dawkins.

Ergo, given she is hot, he is dumb, he is wrong. QED.

I mean this is pretty obvious, no?

Therefore ID is right, evolution is wrong.

And no one had to shave their armpits... or get nailed to anything.

I believe in ID (no, seriously). My personality analysis is the envy of major analysts everywhere.

Cheers,
-wolfe
wolfe.mabtw.com

4:27 PM  
Blogger Diesel said...

neva - The only thing I would add to your statement that "we believe what we believe because we need to believe in something" is "we need to believe in something because there is something to believe in."

Angela - I'm not educated enough to comment either, but I don't let that stop me. I met Ken Hamm, a big-time Creationist (evolution is the work of the devil, etc.), and he was a big-time asshole too.

wolfe - Interesting analysis. And once again, for the record, I believe in intelligent design too. I just don't believe in Intelligent Design(TM). For that matter, I also believe in evolution, but not Evolution(TM). Figure that out. :)

4:54 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

Don't be silly! If the universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure, then where the heck did the Great Green Arkleseizure come from, huh? Where, smart guy?

Using the fallacy of the stolen concept here, are we?

I may have to resort to ad hominem attacks, or some other cool latin thing (but not Salsa ... the dance, that is; love the condiment).

7:49 PM  
Blogger Diesel said...

Dan - I'm actually working on a 700 page theological treatise conjecturing on the being that sneezed out the Great Green Arkleseizure. And they called me mad!

And please, no ad hominem attacks. My mom doesn't know I'm gay.

8:59 PM  
Blogger The Drive-by Blogger said...

Well, actually it's most not all, of the universe that was sneezed out of the nose of the Great Green Arkleseizure...our own planet for example, was expelled from an orifice quite a bit lower.

9:08 PM  
Blogger Just Tom said...

Watch out, Diesel, you are edging towards a political blog. WARNING WARNING.

As a self-professed liberal who in my youth spilled a fair amount of bong water (and I don't shave my pits, either) I don't have the slightest objection to an intelligent design theory being taught alongside the theory of evolution. I don't see what harm it could do. It doesn't change anything. people will make their own assessments based upon information received throughout a lifetime.

By that same argument, I don't have any problem with gays marrying. I don't see what harm that could do. I'm still married and heterosexual. it doesn't change anything.

do you agree with that?

In other words, people often have selective standards. If the policy is don't push your dogmatic science ideas on me in public schools, then schools should treat all subjects with the same "showing all sides of the issue" mentality. Jimmy has two moms and homosexuality is just another way to live.

What I'm getting at is whether or not your argument of sorts is based on some morality issue-- are you going Pat Robertson on our asses? I think one of the arguments against "intelligent Design" is that it's just a sneaky moniker to slip christianity into schools.

If it is, it belongs in a class on world religion. If it's just saying that all of this seems to have an order or logic that seems to coincide with things created by an intelligence, then you might be able to get it to fly in science class.

11:45 PM  
Blogger Diesel said...

Drive-by - That's a pretty funny heresy. Now die, infidel!

Tom - Dude, you're bringing me down by taking this way too seriously. Part of the joy of this blog is that I don't have do "research" or go to the trouble to put together real arguments for my positions. Generally the breakdown of these posts is as follows:

10% Truth
20% My opinion, which is probably wrong
20% Grotesque hyperbole
30% Pointless sarcasm
20% Utter nonsense

Now you can spend all day deconstructing this blog to figure out which part is which if you want, but don't expect me to help. :)

7:11 AM  
Blogger goldennib said...

I'm with Cindra on this. So many things are relative. And today's science will be yesterday's odd bits of history, you know, like the world being flat or Einstein's Theory Of Relativity.

9:21 AM  
Blogger Diesel said...

So maybe in 50 years the world will be flat again? I'm totally buying stock in Mapquest.

11:29 AM  
Blogger Wolfe said...

@Drive-by and @Dan, it's turtles, all the way down.

Or maybe Great Green Arkleseizures, all the way down.

@Diesel Actually, I find it pretty easy to figure out. I roughly share those views -- I neglected to state I believed in evolution AND ID (sloppy editing). I like your point that it's not ID-TM (or evolution-TM... whatever that latter is).

@Tom yes, serious, but hey, I like serious too.

As someone who suspects ID has considerable merit, I do object to it being taught alongside evolution in schools. Evolution is reasonably objective science, and portions of it have been falsified over the years thereby improving the theory; the latter isn't falsifiable in any way I can readily see.

Most of ID theory fails the basic test of the scientific method.
-wolfe

11:51 AM  
Blogger Diesel said...

wolfe - Yeah, what you said.

Also, I don't mind serious. You guys have all the serious discussions you want. I'll interject when I have something snarky to say. Just like Thanksgiving with the in-laws!

12:56 PM  
Blogger Just Tom said...

oh. sorry. There I go again. Evidence of unintelligent design here. Carry on, my brutha!

T

7:39 PM  



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